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Sunday, April 29, 2007

Tagay Drinking in Group

Whenever my father needs help for carpentry job either in constructing house a boat or just any construction project he usually hires two of his favorite Panday (Carpenter). Both called Ninong. To distinguish one with the other, one is called Usahay (he’s an occasional drinker) and the other called Kanonay (all the time drinker). Apparently this two share the same name and the same work but when it comes to drinking they don’t share glass. In our culture when it comes to social group drinking we have typical way; one is assign to tend the drink share the same glass passed on every person on a circle. We call it ‘Tagay’. It’s considered show of brotherhood, camaraderie which is good in my opinion but in the other hand a bad hygienic practice. Like the Ad I saw about handling of beer in bottles (Miller Beer). “You poke it, you own it”. Putting ones finger on the bottle’s mouth is considered bad manner. It just plainly a matter of like after using the restroom we should wash hands.

Speaking of drinking In Libjo here are some of my other observations. No strict rules for the Minors. Anyone can buy liquor or drink alcoholic drinks without any age verification. Generally most of the time drinking is disturbance. Drinking late at night creating noise and disturbing neighbors. Drinking on public places. Like one example a councilor who tolerate drinking in the streets in front of his church.

I mean there is nothing wrong with drinking if only we have common sense of delikadesa or we have such rules to follow. Especially now that I’ve read those moderate drinkers are the least likely to acquire heart diseases. But as a reminder there is always a day you cannot have a drink the ‘Liquor Ban’ during Election Day.

reference added:
Alcohol Problems and Solutions
by Prof. David J. Hanson, Ph.D.
State University of New York at Potsdam

11 comments :

Anonymous said...

There is a place I knew in Dinagat Island where liquor (and other form of vices) is strictly prohibited: in the Municipality of San Jose. And, this is an obvious sign of a desciplined community.

Anonymous said...

Of course it is prohibited due to the fact that, that town is a PBMA bailiwick. And anyone that will be caught drinking will be punished, or won't they?

Anonymous said...

EPHESIANS 5:18 says, "And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit.

Anonymous said...

Alcohol and the Bible
by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.

The Bible makes it clear that Jesus drank wine (Matthew 15:11; Luke 7:33-35) and approved of its moderate consumption (Matthew 15:11). On the other hand, he was critical of drunkenness (Luke 21:34, 12:42; Matthew 24:45-51).

Anonymous said...

Scripture contains many warnings regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4,7,14; 1 Samuel 1:15; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4,6; Isaiah 5:11,22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Micah 2:11; Luke 1:15). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs “drink wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:11 encourages “yes, come buy wine and milk…”



What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or might encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).



Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but necessarily not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).



Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful or addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the Biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to over-consumption of alcohol, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others – it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol

himantayon said...

"I mean there is nothing wrong with drinking if only we have common sense of delikadesa or we have such rules to follow." --> mao!..

Anonymous said...

Can we take the subject into a very realistic situation? Lots of you are very much versed with the Holy Scriptures and that amazed me with your justifications of "drinking" per se, as Biblical and acceptable. Once an answer is drewn from the HS, it is non-refutable. However, don't justify an act with the HS if it goes beyond the limit because anything that goes beyond normal must be avoided if not rejected.

Drinking liquor as long as it is moderate is okay. But I personally denouced drinking and smoking and any other forms of vices, not because I am a PBMA member but because I don't want to start it with me. I don't need to be reminded by anybody else because I wanted to be a good example, not only to my family and relatives but also to friends and comrades.

If you want to drink, moderate or in excess, go ahead! After all you can still justify it, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Can we take the subject into a very realistic situation? Lots of you are very much versed with the Holy Scriptures and that amazed me with your justifications of "drinking" per se, as Biblical and acceptable. Once an answer is drewn from the HS, it is non-refutable. However, don't justify an act with the HS if it goes beyond the limit because anything that goes beyond normal must be avoided if not rejected.

Drinking liquor as long as it is moderate is okay. But I personally denouced drinking and smoking and any other forms of vices, not because I am a PBMA member but because I don't want to start it with me. I don't need to be reminded by anybody else because I wanted to be a good example, not only to my family and relatives but also to friends and comrades.

If you want to drink, moderate or in excess, go ahead! After all you can still justify it, isn't it?

mat said...

Alcohol Problems and Solutions
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/index.html

Anonymous said...

hibaw-an na! sa ato basta mag-inom hubog jod.

Anonymous said...

Patay man ang tuyo sa ato kung mag inom. Pahambogay man. Talaw ang matumba ug una. Dili sad na mao.